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on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i have just never seen anything like it. >> yes, indeed, it seems that republicans are not quite sure what to make of the president taking a harder line across the bargaining table. >> you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. the president's plan is just, quite frankly, a joke. >> i'm not sure about that, senator graham, but there will be plenty of time for jokes later this evening with every member of cong
averting the fiscal cliff, but he's just not talking to house republicans about it. at the white house, he discussed the issue with a bipartisan group of governors. >> i know that the president wants a deal and he didn't try to handicap it. >> reporter: earlier this week, he told so-called middle class americans on twitter, keep pressure on congress. he's even ventured outside the beltway rallying supporters to do just that. >> i'm going to be asking for you to be making your voices heard. >> reporter: why isn't he calling speaker boehner? >> we speak frequently. >> reporter: when will the two of you sit down in a room? >> i don't think the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> reporter: in part, the white house was burned with the negotiations in 2011 when lots of meetings failed to stave off a fiscal nightmare. but there's another strategy at play. some in the administration say they learned in the first term the best way to break washington stalemates, rally the public to their cause. here's how the president put it to cbs news. >> so getting out of this town, spending mo
. >> thanks. >>> now for more on the fiscal cliff, the white house is daring republ republicans literally to blink pushing a plan with few, if any, concessions. the president will make his case later today. with me now from the democratic side is new hampshire congresswoman elect carol porter who is returning to congress after losing her seat in 2010. thank you for joining me. i want to start with this. in 2010 you found yourself on the wrong end of a wave election. people blame barack obama and the state of the economy, health care, what have you. now in 2012 you come back and you beat the guy who beat you and you're back, soon to be, in congress. tell me what lessons you learned in 2012? what was in your mind in a swing state of new hampshire the 2012 election about and what does it carry forward? >> well, first, let me say in 2010 there was a lot of misinformation about health care and about other issues we were voting on. and so people were understandably frightened and now as the health care law is being carried out they recognize that this is a very consumer friendly law. and so tha
: the president's opening bid to avoid the fiscal cliff, already called a none starter by republicans including this $1.6 trillion in new taxes. 400billion in spending cuts, tbd specifically on that. a little extra cash for infrastructure spending, republicans call that stimulus. and a plea for new powers to raise the debt ceiling without having to go directly to congress. joe trippi is howard dean's former campaign manager and a fox news contributor. good to see you this morning. >> good to see you, jenna. jenna: as opening bids go what do you make of that one. >> it makes sense that this is the president's opening bid. republicans ran around saying his only answer is to raise taxes on the rich and play class warfare, and we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem. so if the president says look, i want to raise taxes 1.6 trillion it should be no surprise. if you want to cut spending more put your specific cuts in medicare on the table and let's start having the negotiations. it makes sense to me that he would start low on the spending cuts and let the republicans take the hit, like he's
't think the american people will get anything unless we let things go over the fiscal cliff. republicans will never agree to anything. i think obama needs to stick to his guns. guest: that is one of view of some liberals and some republicans say let's go over the cliff. then you get to cut tax rates. that is easier politically to do. nobody says it is their first choice. some say the democrats could have more leverage if we go over the cliff. some think tanks have said and most people understand it is a slope. it will be gradual. many people are looking to the stock-market to see what their reaction is if there is not a deal. that could have its own impact on the economy. host: author any strong advocates in the administration who maintain the payroll tax cuts? guest: chris van hollen is a top democrat in the house and has been vocal about saying we should continue it. larry summers said we should continue it. the obama administration had said that it was time to go back and let the tax cut expire. they have been quiet about that recently. host: now again, from "money" magazine. if you m
. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again we see there's no agreement that done involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. remember it's only 2%. >> former senator alan simpson, co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, choice words and analysis for would-be cliff jumpers. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, wealthy it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. this is big-time stuff. >> surprising exactly no one, senator mitch mcconnell took to the senate floor yesterday to blast the administration strategy as a campaign maneuver. >> incredibly, many top democrats, including the president, seem perfectly happy, perfectly happy, to go off the cliff. >> but in a new quinnipiac poll out today, the american public gives the democrats the benefit of the doubt
to avoid the fiscal cliff over republicans. the same poll gave president obama his highest approval rating in three years, with 53% support. in the next hour and a half, president obama will continue the great reasonableness tour of 2012. visiting a middle class family in northern virginia with the aim of putting more pressure on congress to extend middle income tax cuts. majority leader harry reid did his part for the cause on the senate floor today. >> so it's apparent how this will end. the only question is, when will it end? it's how long will speaker boehner make middle class families wait for relief and how long will he force the financial markets to wait for uncertainty. >> joining the panel now, the sage of capitol hill, the seasonally elegant luke russert. >> thank you so much for having me. >> you get a special intro when you arrive on set a little late. thrilled to have you here, with ongoing deliberation on capitol hill, you are the eyes. >> eyes and ears hopefully. yet i'm here, congress is recessed this week. >> always a reason, my friend. the fact that tim geithner came out
for the heart and soul of the republican party. first the war of words over the fiscal cliff with hard core conservatives pushing boehner to hold firm on tax cuts and yesterday a livid or vivid illustration of the split was on display when bob dole wheeled himself on to the floor he once led that would ban discrimination against people with disabilities but the world war ii vet saw his efforts go down in bitter defeat due to several members of his own party voting know. joining me is congressman j.c. watts of illinois. what happened to the unity once displayed in the party not just the tax issue but not being able to pass something that was a republican idea like the u.n. disabilities treaty championed by folks like former senate majority leader dole, former president george h.w. bush what happened? >> thomas, i've been traveling the last couple of days and i've not seen all the details of what happened there, but obviously the republican party we're at a time of trying to reorganize we've had our heads handed to us a couple of times and national elections 2008 and 2012 and you know, there'
,000, if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> and this ongoing political game of chicken is something one of the chairmen of the debt commission simply calls madness. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff or i think it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. >> willing to go over the cliff, i guess they are but they also don't believe republicans are going to go over the cliff. >> he can win politically but the costs, doesn't you agree, would be tremendous not only to him but to the economy and to our country. >> and we want to bring in and say good morning to congresswoman diane black, a republican from tennessee, a member of the house budget and ways and means committee. con
for you. in republicans' counteroffer to avert the fiscal cliff, the rich get to keep their bush era tax cuts, even as the boehner budget slashes $1.2 trillion in spending, half of it from medicare, medicaid, and other social programs. it is a lump of coal delivered by the republican reindeer to the vast majority of americans. as for new revenues, they have reached in santa's sack for that old favorite. they plan to raise $800 billion by closing loopholes and deductions. only one problem a problem that flummoxes no less than mitt romney and paul ryan throughout the campaign, a problem as real today as it will be tomorrow -- the math. as the president explained in his first post-election interview on bloomberg this afternoon. >> it's a simple proposition that you can't raise enough revenue, and if you don't raise enough revenue through closing loopholes and deductions, then it's going to be middle class families who make up the difference. >> indeed. as the president notes, you can't get $800 billion in revenue without eliminating, for example, charitable deductions, which would put all m
the white house is ready to over the cliff if republicans don't budge on taxes. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. >> alan simpson co-chair of the president's debt commission, says both sides are making a high stakes gamble. >> when you have leaders of parties and people of the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, i think it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff, or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. >>> syria on the bring. secretary of state hillary clinton holds emergency talks with russia as u.s. officials confirm reports that the syrian military is prepared to launch chemical weapons against its own people. >> we've made it very clear what our position is with respect to chemical weapons and i think we will discuss that and many other aspects. >> the whole world is watching. the whole world is watching very closely. and the president of the united states has made very clear that there will b
the fiscal cliff is an imperative. we are having a one-sided conversation. the republicans have put out a plan saying raise revenue from reach people, banseed, spending cuts, and that landed with a thud over in the white house, no response, and the president has yet to put out a balanced plan, and what we got is i want $1.6 trillion in tax revenue. give it to me. gerri: and rid of the debt ceiling. >> we've seen this movie before. no ceiling, give me the revenue, i'll spend it. now what? until cuts are in place, this doesn't make sense. gerri: i want to hear what ann coulter said about the debate. >> don't cave on everything, but republicans feed into what the media is telling america -- >> wait a minute, i want to understand. you are saying then for pr purposes, they should give into obama on the tax rate. >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am -- >> you're saying obama, who is -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. gerri: what do you think of this? as a strategy, maybe it's the right thing? acknowledge that the american people voted for the president
and that's the pathway to yes. and if the democrats decide okay we can afford the fiscal cliff, they are going to have it wrapped around them. it's not going the republicans blamed for this, it's the democrats because for the next three weeks they will say we can afford to go off the fiscal cliff. >> when we talk about that let's show what grover norquist had to say. he's the anti-tax pledge crusader. this is what he had to say yesterday. >> tea party two will dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> that's like say anaconda two will dwarf anaconda one. the sequel will be more intense. a poll find out last week that they found a majority of americans will blame the republicans in congress not the president for failure to make the deal. as we hear what grover says you see at any time other way. you say it will be the democrats. >> it could be. depending on what happens. if they keep posturing we can go off the fiscal cliff it won't be such a big deal i don't think that's where most democrats will end up. you they are president and a lot of people down in washingt
shows republicans will take the blame if a deal isn't reached and we go over the fiscal cliff. 53% say it's on republicans. half that, 27%, will blame the president. this is progress. this is change. if president obama can break republicans on tax increases, this could redefine american politics. it would help to change our politics in very important ways. and who knows what else may be possible. joining me now is krystal ball and richard wolffe. thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> thanks, reverend. krystal, how big a moment will it be if the president gets the republicans to cave on tax increases? >> i mean, it really is sort of hard to understate how significant that would be. it would es seshlgsentially mar end of when george w.h. bush led taxes. we had the contract for america. that in some ways was the precursor of the tea party and this very extreme rhetoric, us versus them rhetoric, where rather than talking about nuance differences between positions you call the president's health care bill socialism and yell about death panels and caricature things. that
be the republicans biggest weapon in the fiscal cliff debate and democrats are trying to remove it permanently. this week, treasury secretary timothy geithner took a proposal to gop leaders that significantly restrict congress' authority over the debt limit. house speaker john boehner pushing back maintaining a debt ceiling increase would need to be matched by spending cuts. >> if we're going to talk about the debt limit in this, then, there's going to be some price tag associated with it. i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be aacademied by spending reductions that meet or exceed it. >> joining me now, political anchor "new york one news" and co-editor of "scandals, tragedies and trumps triumphs." senior ederter for politics and news at yahoo! news. she has become a weekend pal. thanks for being back with us, both of you. let's start with the debt limit, we're talking about the debt limit, again. do republicans believe this is their ace in the hole? >> i sure hope they don't. i think the president has the stronger hand on this. number one, he won the election. we'
, the white house plan to avoid the fiscal cliff to congressional leaders, and republicans, laughed in their faces. literally in the case of mitch mcconnell. >> the plan calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues, $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlements, $50 billion for a new stimulus, and republicans really didn't like this one, congress would have to give up control over raising the debt limit. we want to bring in now the recently re-elected house minority whip maryland congressman steny hoyer, democrat from maryland. nice to see you this morning. congratulations on the re-election. >> good morning, and thank you. >> so earlier this week we had tom foley republican offer a compromise on the position here. you had many republicans, several coming forward and saying there is a way out here, we are willing to give a little bit on taxes. you had wall street optimistic that there was an aura of compromise here. and then this is the plan that the white house puts forward. in some ways, moving the ball even further away from what the republicans were asking for here. is
for republicans going forward. our fiscal cliff-mas gift today alan smith gets down gangnam style. what the senator is saying about the video that's gone viral watching the daily rundown only on msnbc. u see this? oh, let me guess -- more washington gridlock. no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. this season, discover aleve. restore revive rejuvenate rebuild rebuild rebuild when you take a closer look... the best schools in the world... see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a res
in virtually all of these polls we are seeing that they are likely to blame the republicans if the fiscal cliff is reached. and i think you've seen president obama going around the country, as with that family and the clips that you just showed, to try to use the bully pulpit. certainly the economic disadvantage is going to hurt all of us. he doesn't want to push it too far. it's another reason why there's -- we still have a few weeks to probably go to see this play out. neither side can be seen as cutting a deal with any days to spare. it looks at this point like it has to be one of these last minute deals. >> cynthia, the president said he was glad to hear that republicans are coming around on this. listen. >> i'm encouraged to see that there has been some discussion on the part of republicans, the acknowledging for needs of adig nal revenue. the only way to get revenue for a balanced deficit reduction plan is to make sure that we're modestly increasing rates for people who can afford it. folks like me. >> cynthia, at the same time, not everyone is happy about the gop talking about some form
nowherep. just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't really see them doing that. >> thank you very much. mr. president. >> meanwhile as nato prepares to deploy patriot missile defenses to turkey, hillary clinton warns syria against moving its chemical weapons. >> this is a red line for the united states. i'm not going to telegraph in any specifics what we are would do in the event of credible evidence that the assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people, but suffice it to say, we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur. >> and while washington buzzes over this video tribute to clin
republican to endorse the president's version of a compromise on taxes to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. oklahoma congressman tom cole joins me next. first, a look ahead at the president's schedule. one big thing on the schedule today that everybody is fairly interested in. that's that lunch with mitt romney. we're told no cameras. we'll see. we of the white house press corps officially protesting. we'd like to force them to let there be some official fourth estate coverage of this historic event. we'll see if they grant it. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. a winter wonderland doesn't just happen. it takes some doing. some coordinating. and a trip to the one place with the new ideas that help us pull it all together. from the things that hang and shine... the things that sparkle and jingle. all while saving the things that go in our wallet. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. get fresh cut savings. live trees are arriving weekly. [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] an
winding down? first, though, the fiscal cliff looms ever nearer, the house speaker, among many others, sounding very pessimistic today. are we headed over the edge? and after the election in a bruising defeat, what's next for the republican party? we'll talk to one top outgoing gop senator. good sunday afternoon to you, you are watching msnbc, the place for politics. there are no signs right now of a break in the deadlocked talks to avert the so-called fiscal cliff, the devastating combinations of tax increase and spending cuts that kick in january 1st. both sides seem to dig in this morning on the sunday talk shows. >> the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans that the rates would have to go up on the wealthiest americans, and i don't really see them doing it. >> right now, i would say we're nowhere, period, we're nowhere. >> that somber assessment today from house speaker john boehner, as geithner, the point man, went on all five sunday talk shows, cnbc, washington correspondent aman javers joining me live now. did geithner offer anything new today
the moniker of fiscal cliff i think is going to wind up hurting republicans. because it sounds so scary. even though there is not going to be any immediate fiery death, if things don't happen. and i think the president kind of looks better going into this, i think they know that they say in game of chicken, he who cares the least wins. and i think it's the white house who kind of just is going to let the republicans play this out. however they want. and there's also a chance that boehner will have more ability to make a deal after the new congress gets sworn in. this all might be kind of just like posturing. until boehner can sit down with his new congress. i'm not really sure, i am not particularly worried about the fiery crash. something will happen. i do think the white house will probably have the most cards to play when it comes to that. >> karen, anna marie brought up speaker boehner. "meet the press" moderator david gregory said his take is that president obama issued the tough first offer to give the speaker some room, to object strenuously and fight for some concessions. do you agree
the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> "the new york times" reports that senior republican leadership aides are contemplating a fall-back position on a fiscal deal. they could foresee taking up and passing legislation this month to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and then resume the bitter fight over spending and taxes as the nation approaches the next hard deadline. it's statutory borrowingç limi which could be reached in late january or february. speaking to a business roundtable, president obama responded to that idea this way. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did this it last year, i will not play that game. >> john boehner and house republican leadership met with small business owners today to talk about the fiscal cliff, raising tax rates on the richest americans for them is stil
. >> thank you. following the latest on the fiscal cliff fiasco. congress is facing the issue of the fiscal cliff and other tough economic decisions. why did just today republican leadership cancel tomorrow's session allowing the house to leave town with three days left on the legislative calendar? i'll talk with two democratic members of congress just and allyson schwartz and john yarmuth. i'll talk to roger simon. he has a scathing new column out on republicans. roger says, quote, listen to this, republicans have found their stab in the back. it was the minorities what done them in. that's what he wrote. we'll ask him about it. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you
the country on the fiscal cliff issue and, secondly, he has to be convincing that republicans will be punished at the ballot box next time if they don't come to a deal. >> but, chris, speaker boehner keeps arguing for cuts but the second time in as many days he declined to name any of the cuts that the gop would make. they seem to be on the defensive. they refuse to give any specifics on what they offer, any deal. republicans want entitlement cuts but often no specifics. they say they will accept new revenue but offer no specifics. say they will make concessions on tax deductions, offer no specifics. they seem to really be on the defensive this time. >> not only are we fresh off an election, which this stuff was intensely litigated. we're not talking about subsidiary issues that didn't get enough attention. we're talking about the stuff that was the first stuff that got said in every debate. the position of raising taxes on the top 2% is incredibly popular. it even polls among the majority of some republicans in some polls. cutting medicare, medicaid is is not popular. in fact, much of the ele
if congress refuses to ask. we go over the fiscal cliff rates reset under bill clinton and you're negotiating a tax cut not a tax increase. other thing the way weight of public opinion since that level has moved strongly against republicans. look who the public says they're going to blame if we go over the cliff, it's republicans because they see them as having forced the issue last time around, been willing to do this this time around. one reason boehner is grumbly and nervous because he doesn't have any leverage. >> i want to point this out. this is interesting in terms of the smoke and mirrors how this will play out for the republicans. in the "wall street journal" they write obama's flexible on highest tax rates. white house's flexibility, described by bowls, confirmed by the administration officials, could envision tax rates -- tax rate increase from the current level but was less than clinton era levels. if the republicans can say, we cut taxes from where they were under clinton it gives them cover though rates may go up. a weird, if there is an act of kabuki theater that would be it, r
tight with vice president joe biden. as the clock ticks down to the fiscal cliff, might lieutenant biden help avert disaster? sam, you talked to republican on the hill and there's a lot of back and forth about how good of a negotiator the president and his emissaries are. i've been wondering where joe biden is on this, given his experience on the hill and whether he might be a more effective ambassador in this back and forth that we are having. >> yeah. i think so. keep in mind, he and eric cantor had lengthy conversations when we were doing this in a different incarnation many months ago and so, you know, the framework was there between these two guys, not just that, between the respective staffs. the problem, if there was one with respect to biden, at least as i think, is that the -- if you do need an emissary on the hill for democrats, it's probably going to be with the house democratic caucus. by that i mean john boehner will at some point have to decide if he can get something done with all of his caucus or part of his caucus or house democrats. at that point you need nancy pelosi t
prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a hard line, warning his opponents not to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to dell creting votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> well, i wonder, the president's saying, steve, that, you know what, we can
congressional leaders put much of their energy on the ongoing fiscal cliff negotiations. oklahoma representative tom cole who broke ranks with republicans by embracing president obama's plan to raise taxes on the wealthy stuck to his guns this morning. >> if we can give the american people an early christmas present, if they can listen to the debate instead of be worried that their own taxes are going to go up, i think that actually strengthens our hand. i haven't changed my mind. i'm not going to come out here and be disingenuous to people. i think it would be a step in the right direction. >> today john boehner expressed disappointment at where the negotiations stand. as our first read team points out, by siding with the white house tom cole may be helping boehner get the deal he wants. joining me now, political editor mark murray. why do you think tom cole has strengthened the speaker's position, negotiating position he goes in with? >> it has given john boehner some cover. you now have a conservativconse albeit establishment member of the house republican party who is essentially going to th
. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. >> the gop is on the ropes and they're ready to cave. >> the house republican leadership are like generals, hunkered away in a bunker who don't realize that their army has already laid down its arms. >> what we got today was a seminar on how to surrender. >> need the president to scare the dickens out of those people. >> if congress in any way suggests they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling, folks, i will not play that game. >> do we need a better mouthpiece for the republicans. >> revenues will come from guess who? the rich. >> maybe they need to learn a thing or two from president obama. >> this is a solvable problem. i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families. ♪ >>> it's exactly one month since the president's resounding re-election, but if you thought the campaign was over, you'd be wrong. in the fight over the fiscal cliff, the president is again reaching out to voters for their support. this afternoon a northern virginia family got a special visit after sharing their story
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the fiscal cliff. ruth says i've said for a long time republicans are so far to the right they're falling off the edge. i didn't realize it was a cliff they were up against. mark says i have my seat belt on and i'm ready to go over the cliff. no deal is better than a b.s. deal. and skip says the g.o.p. is on their way to wiping out the remainder of the middle class ending social security medicare and medicaid and home mortgage deductions. >> bill: so, michael, we hear that more and more from democrats that better to go over the cliff better no deal than a bad deal. do you agree? >> yeah, i do agree. it depends on how bad the deal is but there is a spectrum. >> bill: if the deal includes extending the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans for another two years. >> no. that's not a deal worth making. that's just not a deal worth making. the fact of the matter is we're at a tough spot. we're caught between a rock and a hard place. we don't want to go over the cliff. if we can avoid it, the congress
question is whether they do so before or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff. "new york times" columnist david brooks describes it this way. republicans will be raising middle class taxes in order to serve the rich. shafting sam's club to benefit the country club. if republicans do this, they might as well get mitt romney's 47% comments printed on t-shirts and wear them for the rest of their lives. so republicans have to realize they're going to have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what they get in return. michael steele is former chair of the republican national committee and an msnbc political analyst, and steve mcmahon's a democratic strategist. michael, you're on the republican side, and what do you think of that? the argument made by brooks which is more sophisticated. make your deal now while you can get something for it because after january 1st you will just be saving your rear end. >> i think he's absolutely right. i think part of that deal should include giving the president what everybody in this town agrees on, and that is those middle tax cut
over the fiscal cliff, this benefits him. the public will blame the republicans. okay. i suppose it's entirely possible. in fact, it's probable of that category. but does obama really want to start the second term going into recession again? the interesting thing, with this offer on the table, sequestration and the expiration of bush tax cuts for everyone is the best option for republicans right now. but as least under that, you can dispel this notion -- the biggest obstacle is this attitude of the public that we can solve the problem of the debt, we can solve the problem of entitlements just by raising taxes on the rich a little bit. it's fundamentally not true. but my attitude to say all right, fine, let's go with that. let's even go with tax increases for everybody. even that bottom bracket going up from 10% to 15%. let the bush tax cuts -- if they must expire, let them expire for everybody. and then we'll see how far tax increases can take us in dealing with these problems. and the answer is not that far at all. >> not that far at all. richard wolffe, you've been sitting here pa
, use the tools to sign up people for the can kicks back campaign to avoid the fiscal cliff and cut the national debt. the 81-year-old simpson went "gangnam style" to make his point. ♪ >> i have a bum knee. horse, horse. ride the horse. >> senator, thank you for that. and that's your morning dish of "scrambled politics." and now for a look at your national weather, let's turn to bill karins. he has your weather channel forecast. >> the best part is the underwater robot for a place that doesn't have water. >> maybe it's a pool. >> yes. >> and they need to inspect it. >> counter-terrorism measures in the backyard. you never know. good morning, everyone. getting out the door this morning, it's very cold up in new england. tell you what, the lack of snow is really becoming a slightly alarming especially if you have any interest in snowy weather recreation or skiing or ice skating or maybe you like to go snowmobiling. the northern half of the country is sparse. 7% of the country has snow cover. most of that is the high elevations in the rockies and northern rockies. it's about as low a
maybe in this fiscal cliff deal. grover, the first question i have for you is this, your pledge, the pledge that many republicans have signed on to, opposes any and all efforts to increase marginal income tax rates and opposes any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits unless matched for dollar by further reducing tax rates. closing loopholes and ending deductions would seem to increase the tax burden that americans are paying to the federal government. given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed down, i don't want to talk about a hypothetical, but there is a danger that when you put revenues on the table, even revenues through economic growth, if you grew at 4% a year, reagan levels, instead of 2%, french levels or obama levels, you would net $5 trillion in additional revenue to the government, you could pay down all of obama's additional debt by higher levels of growth, not raising taxes.
the deadline for the so-calleded fiscal cliff. the drama is building. check out what house speaker, john boehner, had to say this week. >> the white house spends three weeks of trying to develop a proposal that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little, not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they are willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. right now, we are almost nowhere. >> oh, mr. boehner, you have got it all wrong. it is a serious proposal, really serious. godfather serious. >>> watching the d.c. drama convinced those of us in nerdland that president obama must be a fan of the francis ford copel la masterpiece. remove the lethal components and there are valuable negotiating lessons that the president seems to be picking up on, like this one. >> my father taught me many things here. he taught me in this room. he caught me keep your friends close but your enemies closer. >> well, president obama keeping his opponents close in hand. lunch with mitt romney. a mid-week summit with the business l
talks to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. utah congressman jason chafe fits joins me now. the president was campaigning today in campaign mode certainly and basically what the democrats and the white house are saying is this is what the american people voted for. all of the exit polls show that there is strong support, more than 60% of the voters, support tax increases for the wealthy. so how do you counter that? >> well, the president also said he was for a balanced approach and what we haven't seen is what is the other side of that balance? the president said he was going to help curb back the debt and tackle this deficit. instead, the president has the gull to actually go out and suggest that we should get rid of the debt ceiling votes and take away congress' ability to help put a lid on that. essentially wants a limitless credit card. that is a nonstarter for us in the house of representatives and the president should share with us what he thinks he should be cutting. not just 10, 20 years out in advance, what are we going to cut in year one naepts wh. that's what i want to hear fro
to be reluctant to propose cuts. that brings us more likely or closer to this fiscal cliff which i think is more of a mole hill than a mountain. but i think that that's where we may end up. i think we may see some more drama as a result of that. >> reluctant to raise taxes, but i'm cautiously optimistic that i'm seeing people pull away from grover norquist and hold onto the mantle of reagan and he raised taxes. corker saying i'm not beholden to grover nor quest and i'm beholden to my constituency. i see some movement. the cutting of programs is going to be a different story. >> i don't think anybody wants to cut programs. republicans don't because they're now in what they consider the rebuilding mode, but the challenge is going to be that there are democrats -- if you take a look at some of these tax issues, estate taxes, the president is not going to have unified support from the house on that issue because he's going to lose most likely the congressional black caucus, he'll lose representatives of farming states because it's going to decimate -- >> it is not going to decimate. that is an absol
avoid the fiscal cliff. as if that was not bad enough, according to a recent gallup poll, only 18% of americans say they approve of the job that lawmakers are doing on capitol hill. and does the republican party's hope for 2016 lie deep in the heart of texas? that's the buzz about state senator-elect ted cruz, who says the gop needs to be more articulate in its message and rebrand itself under a banner he calls, quote, and remember these words. you'll hear them again, "opportunity conservatism." opportunity conservatism. even though his second inauguration is weeks away, president obama is prepping for another campaign. this one to raise money to build his official library. presidential libraries are a chance for every leader of the free world to shape his or her legacy. while it's an honorable project, it takes years of planning and a whole lot of money to do it. >>> well, could the end be near? new indications the administration sees the end of the war on terror. what does that mean for detainees at guantanamo bay? we'll have that next. is a unive. but when i was in an accident.
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